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Chickenman

Well, he doesn't have another life. He has this one. He does have a political job. In fact, it's one of the most important policitcal jobs in the world. Just because he seems to be an allright guy doesn't excuse the fact that he's done irrepairable damage to America.

From what I've seen, he's a slimy little nerfherder that only cares about furthering his political agenda and making his buddies rich, at the expense of anyone who gets in his way.

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Alexander

You just defined all politicans - democrat and republican - Bush or Kerry. Everyone has an agenda. Bush is decisive and sticks to his guns you'll rarely, if ever, see him sway on an issue, and I forsee he'll stick by this accepting of blame.

I simply disagree with his ideologies on particular issues, but he is not an ignorant man. I'm kind of tired of the "damage done to America" by him argument. If you want to see damage done to America - look at the years of Jimmy Carter - and we recovered from those.

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Uncle Du

You know, I always hear this "trying to further his political career" bullsith, but he's the ewoking PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!! What the hell else is he going to do that will top being the freakin' President? Bush is a lame duck President, he CAN'T get re-elected, after this he's done. He's already got Secret Service protection for the rest of his life, he and his family are set, he's got a huge ranch in Texas, and, oh yea, he'll have already been the President of one of the most powerful and influential countries in the world!

So tell me, why would a man, who knows that after he's done with this office, he is essentially done with politics, take the blame for something that in no way shape or forn is entirely his fault? To get more votes, to look better to everyone? Well, despite what everyone says, he is an intelligent man, and he obviously knows that most people will probably react as most of you have, slandering some more, and generally blowing a bunch of hot air. The only conclusion that you can logically draw from him doing this, is that he is doing this so people will look at the bigger issue: to help those Americans that have been hurt by this hurricane. Does anyone really care about those people? I don't think the majority of people do, because most of them are sitting at home, on the couch, or on the computer, talking sith about how everything is all jacked up.

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Uncle Du

I don't hear anyone making a big uproar about all the ewoking reporters that flew in before the damn storm with nothing but equipment, and no supplies for the people that need it. It's anything to place blame these days, no one takes personal responsibility. And you know what, if those ewokers down there had taken some personal responsibility, there would be a lot less people dead, and a lot less bithing. It's always someone elses fault, it's always the Presidents fault, it's always the governments fault. I honestly don't really give a sith about all this crap going on down there, because those people chose to live where they did. By all means, help them out, do what you want, but I won't, because if a storm like that ever comes my way, I'm outta here, with my wife and son. That's why I pay good money to have insurance on this house, because if it ever gets toasted, I get paid. Yes, I will have to move somewhere else, and start over, but at least I'll be ewoking alive. You won't hear me bithing and moaning about the damn weather, it's just another obstacle to overcome in life. And if you can't handle it, then how the hell are you supposed to ever accomplish anything in your life.

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Mara

Well said.

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Uncle Du

(Wasn't done) ;)

While I may have just painted myself as a cold hearted son of a bith, I don't much care about that either. I've been around this world, and seen a lot worse sith than here. I've been to Croatia, soon after the civil war there, where the ratio of women to men was 14:1 because most of the men had been killed. I've been in the armpit of Turkey where the captains of their ships get paid 500 bucks a month. And they're the top guys. I have seen so much poverty and pain, and I truly realize how good we have it. Until you walk through a ghetto in a 3rd world country, you can really have NO idea. Just for once, I would like to see a day go by with everyone appreciating what they have, taking responsibility for themselves. It's too bad that it will never happen now, this world is too far gone. I can only hope that I'm not here when it falls apart.

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Andy

I can only hope that I'm not here when it falls apart.

Too late.

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Alexander

Too late.

That's another thing. The world hasn't fallen apart yet, anyone who thinks that is crazy. Believe me, things can get a lot worse.

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Uncle Du

Yes, haven't you ever played Fallout? :p

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Chickenman

You know, I always hear this "trying to further his political career" bullsith, but he's the ewoking PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!  What the hell else is he going to do that will top being the freakin' President?  Bush is a lame duck President, he CAN'T get re-elected, after this he's done.  He's already got Secret Service protection for the rest of his life, he and his family are set, he's got a huge ranch in Texas, and, oh yea, he'll have already been the President of one of the most powerful and influential countries in the world! 

So tell me, why would a man, who knows that after he's done with this office, he is essentially done with politics, take the blame for something that in no way shape or forn is entirely his fault?  To get more votes, to look better to everyone?  Well, despite what everyone says, he is an intelligent man, and he obviously knows that most people will probably react as most of you have, slandering some more, and generally blowing a bunch of hot air.  The only conclusion that you can logically draw from him doing this, is that he is doing this so people will look at the bigger issue: to help those Americans that have been hurt by this hurricane.  Does anyone really care about those people?  I don't think the majority of people do, because most of them are sitting at home, on the couch, or on the computer, talking sith about how everything is all jacked up.

1. What else is he going to do? Continue to make this country a paradise for his insane colleagues in the coming years, possibly? My mistake, he's not following his own political agenda, he's following his party's. Which, apparently, is to make the rich richer and to screw over the worker class.

2. No one else was "slandering" him but me. Don't make the other's look like asses, when I'm the only ass here.

3. Yes, I'm sitting at home on my computer. But it's not like I can go down there and help. I can almost 100% guarantee that if I lived down near there, I'd be volunteering, because it's the right thing to do. Because I care about those people. But I don't live near the south, so I'm going to have to settle for donating to charity.

I don't hear anyone making a big uproar about all the ewoking reporters that flew in before the damn storm with nothing but equipment, and no supplies for the people that need it.  It's anything to place blame these days, no one takes personal responsibility.  And you know what, if those ewokers down there had taken some personal responsibility, there would be a lot less people dead, and a lot less bithing.  It's always someone elses fault, it's always the Presidents fault, it's always the governments fault.  I honestly don't really give a sith about all this crap going on down there, because those people chose to live where they did.  By all means, help them out, do what you want, but I won't, because if a storm like that ever comes my way, I'm outta here, with my wife and son.  That's why I pay good money to have insurance on this house, because if it ever gets toasted, I get paid.  Yes, I will have to move somewhere else, and start over, but at least I'll be ewoking alive.  You won't hear me bithing and moaning about the damn weather, it's just another obstacle to overcome in life.  And if you can't handle it, then how the hell are you supposed to ever accomplish anything in your life.

1. It wasn't the press' job to provide supplies. It was their job to report. It was Bush's job to make sure people were safe at home. It's his job to clean his room before he goes to go play with his expensive toys in the sand.

2. This is New Orleans. It wasn't all that easy for them to get out. Besides, how often are they hit by hurricanes? Florida's used to hurricanes, I don't believe New Orleans was.

3. Yes, I'm sorry for critizing our government. We should just let them do as they damn well please. I'm sure they'll stay honest without the prying eyes of the public. After all, they're on our side, right?

4. You won't donate any money? Yet you're critizing the press for not bringing supplies with them??? *Activates the hypocrite alarm*

5. I'm pretty sure you'll be bithing and moaning if you lose your house and all your worldy possessions. Sure, you'll be happy to be alive, but a huge chunk has been torn away from you. If you don't feel loss there, then you're simply not human.

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Alexander

1. What else is he going to do? Continue to make this country a paradise for his insane colleagues in the coming years, possibly? My mistake, he's not following his own political agenda, he's following his party's. Which, apparently, is to make the rich richer and to screw over the worker class.

You apparently do not know the differences between Republicans and Democrats so I'm not even going to debate that point until you take an intro course in Political Science.

1. It wasn't the press' job to provide supplies. It was their job to report. It was Bush's job to make sure people were safe at home. It's his job to clean his room before he goes to go play with his expensive toys in the sand.

It isn't the job of the people to volunteer to help either - but guess what, they did. From my standpoint, assholes like Geraldo Rivera, who push people aside to get his face on the camera a little longer, are more despicable than President Bush. It wasn't entirely Bush's responsibility to handle the hurricane either. That was firstly, and most importantly, the job of the mayor and governor - stop putting all the blame on one man.

2. This is New Orleans. It wasn't all that easy for them to get out. Besides, how often are they hit by hurricanes? Florida's used to hurricanes, I don't believe New Orleans was.

This storm has been building for months. Of course no one knew it would reach this level, but the course didn't take a sudden shift and hit New Orleans, the course had been plotted almost since its start. There was time.

3. Yes, I'm sorry for critizing our government. We should just let them do as they damn well please. I'm sure they'll stay honest without the prying eyes of the public. After all, they're on our side, right?

You're not criticizing the government as a whole. You're criticizing one administration.

4. You won't donate any money? Yet you're critizing the press for not bringing supplies with them??? *Activates the hypocrite alarm*

I'm not donating money either, and I still criticize the press for not helping. They are there. THEY HAVE THE MEANS TO HELP. I do not have enough money to donate it - I do NOT have the means.

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Uncle Du

1. What else is he going to do? Continue to make this country a paradise for his insane colleagues in the coming years, possibly? My mistake, he's not following his own political agenda, he's following his party's. Which, apparently, is to make the rich richer and to screw over the worker class.

2. No one else was "slandering" him but me. Don't make the other's look like asses, when I'm the only ass here.

3. Yes, I'm sitting at home on my computer. But it's not like I can go down there and help. I can almost 100% guarantee that if I lived down near there, I'd be volunteering, because it's the right thing to do. Because I care about those people. But I don't live near the south, so I'm going to have to settle for donating to charity.

Since we're doing the numbers thing:

1. A paradise? Do you really think that all his buddies are living in a paradise? Do you really think that they have it so much better than we do, because they have more money? Is that what paradise is to you? Paradise is one thing, being able to find happiness. It almost seems like people look for reasons to NOT be happy. I can guarantee that all those rich assholes out there aren't really happy. I am. I'm free. I have a wonderful family. I make a decent living. I'm not gonna make Forbes' top 100 or anything, but I'm still happy. Gotta remember, the guy with the most money in the end, still freakin dies. Are these guys taking money from you're pocket? I get taxed, yea, but I can still sustain myself. What more do you want?

2. My opinions are not confined to those that post here at GB. I was speaking of all the people that find it necessary to bash the President, because they don't like him, his views, or any choice that he makes.

3. Well, that's great, I'm not bashing you or anyone that helps out at all, I expressed an opinion, because I can, and it doesn't necessarily mean that you're in that group, but I do talk to people every day, that are, and once again, you're taking this entire rant of mine personally. Don't.

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Uncle Du

1. It wasn't the press' job to provide supplies. It was their job to report. It was Bush's job to make sure people were safe at home. It's his job to clean his room before he goes to go play with his expensive toys in the sand.

2. This is New Orleans. It wasn't all that easy for them to get out. Besides, how often are they hit by hurricanes? Florida's used to hurricanes, I don't believe New Orleans was.

3. Yes, I'm sorry for critizing our government. We should just let them do as they damn well please. I'm sure they'll stay honest without the prying eyes of the public. After all, they're on our side, right?

4. You won't donate any money? Yet you're critizing the press for not bringing supplies with them??? *Activates the hypocrite alarm*

5. I'm pretty sure you'll be bithing and moaning if you lose your house and all your worldy possessions. Sure, you'll be happy to be alive, but a huge chunk has been torn away from you. If you don't feel loss there, then you're simply not human.

1. You're right, it's not the press' job to do that, just to report the news "fairly and from all points of view", right? Well, great job they're doing with that. And now all of a sudden, the President is supposed to know that a cat. 5 hurricane is going to decimate the Gulf seaboard? He's supposed to know that the new measures implemented for disaster relief because of 9/11 wouldn't be enough? Something like this has never happened before, and I'm supposed to believe that this is the President's fault because of the war?! Come on, that's really pushing it.

2. You mean was New Orleans. They had at least four days of advance notice (which happens to be when FEMA got there), and that in itself wasn't enough time? I mean, what do you expect, when that city is below sea level? Every year, a hurricane makes its way into the Gulf, it just never made it this far, and this strong. Doesn't mean that it would never happen. That's just human ignorance. And it's not bliss.

3. Well, us "keeping our eyes on them" seems to working out great doesn't it? It doesn't matter what happens around here, someone's always going to criticize, because they always think it would be better "their" way. You know, even if you may not believe it, the majority of people that work for this government, do so because they really do love their country. But I guess the government that just approved upwards of 64 billion dollars in Federal Relief isn't really looking out for anyone.

4. Hmm, I didn't fly into an area devasted by that storm, I never volunteered to be the "first reporter on the scene". I'm not a ewokin reporter. Because I actually do have a heart, because I could never be a reporter, because my emotions would get the best of me. I don't really think you do understand, there's the possibility that I might go down there, because I'm in the Navy. I could get oredered to go. And because I am in the military, I would go, because that's the way it works. Because sometimes you just need to believe that what you are doing is for the greater good, and not for yourself. But given the choice, I won't go. Those reporters chose to go down there, and didn't do one goddamned thing to help. So no, it doesn't make me a hypocrite, and it probably doesn't make any sense whatsoever to you, but that's the way a military mind works. I do this for the greater good, for you, the people, not me. I don't enjoy the same rights as you, we have our own set of rules in the military, and it's a totally different lifestyle. Being in the military is sometimes having to do what you don't believe in, because you serve this country and not yourself.

5. And as a matter of fact, no, I wouldn't bith and moan about it. You said it yourself, I could lose all my worldly posessions. All of this stuff is replaceable. I don't have a hang up on things like this as much as others do. I move a lot, I'm gone a lot, it gives me time to understand what's really important, and it's not this house made of wood and brick, it's the people inside it that make it a home, and as long as I have them, I will never complain, because I AM human, and I care more for these lives in this house, than the house, and all it's contents.

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Mara

(Wasn't done)  ;)

No worries...it was already good. ;)

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Uncle Du

LOL, thanks. :)

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Mara

No worries.

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Uncle Du

OK...mate. ;)

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Tsl

Actually, poor people do die earlier than rich ones. It's a statistical fact. :p

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Andy

I could lose all my worldly posessions.

Photographs? Scrapbooks? You could move on easily after losing treasured possessions that give you a link to your best memories?

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Tsl

Eh, talk to somebody who's lost everything and you'd have a different opinion. Take a little trip down to LA. It is the epitome of arrogance to claim you wouldn't care if you lost everything.

Talk to a family who's got a real sick chronic kid and is lost in the Medicaid system. Have some kind of health issue and then try to deal with an HMO. Talk to the folks that have to choose between paying the electric bill that month or buying their life sustaining meds. Talk to the teachers and administrators dicked over by all the money cuts and having their funding handed over to charter and private schools.

Priorities in this country are really ewoked up. And that's with any person/party in power, though in my experience, the more conservative the gov't, the more dicked over the above mentioned get.

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Uncle Du

Photographs? Scrapbooks? You could move on easily after losing treasured possessions that give you a link to your best memories?

Yes, because I will still have those memories. I don't know, maybe I'm not as attached to material things as others. Only one thing really scares me, and that's losing the people I love. As long as I have them, life can go on.

And besides, as long as the internet is still intact, I will still have ALL my photos. :p

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Alexander

What a Catch-22. You get high from eating the cake - thus munchies ensue - yet, you're eating cake so the munchies are being satisified as you get higher.

*head explodes*.

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Uncle Du

:lol:

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