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[GI_Admiral 2]

Well damn, look what I missed lol

1. What else is he going to do? Continue to make this country a paradise for his insane colleagues in the coming years, possibly? My mistake, he's not following his own political agenda, he's following his party's. Which, apparently, is to make the rich richer and to screw over the worker class.

2. No one else was "slandering" him but me. Don't make the other's look like asses, when I'm the only ass here.

3. Yes, I'm sitting at home on my computer. But it's not like I can go down there and help. I can almost 100% guarantee that if I lived down near there, I'd be volunteering, because it's the right thing to do. Because I care about those people. But I don't live near the south, so I'm going to have to settle for donating to charity.

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Since we're doing the numbers thing:

1. A paradise? Do you really think that all his buddies are living in a paradise? Do you really think that they have it so much better than we do, because they have more money? Is that what paradise is to you? Paradise is one thing, being able to find happiness. It almost seems like people look for reasons to NOT be happy. I can guarantee that all those rich assholes out there aren't really happy. I am. I'm free. I have a wonderful family. I make a decent living. I'm not gonna make Forbes' top 100 or anything, but I'm still happy. Gotta remember, the guy with the most money in the end, still freakin dies. Are these guys taking money from you're pocket? I get taxed, yea, but I can still sustain myself. What more do you want?

2. My opinions are not confined to those that post here at GB. I was speaking of all the people that find it necessary to bash the President, because they don't like him, his views, or any choice that he makes.

3. Well, that's great, I'm not bashing you or anyone that helps out at all, I expressed an opinion, because I can, and it doesn't necessarily mean that you're in that group, but I do talk to people every day, that are, and once again, you're taking this entire rant of mine personally. Don't.

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1. Like Alex said, everyone follows an agenda. Mother Taresa had an agenda. Might have seemed nobler than most, but still she was motivated by her agenda. Paradise is unachievable for a group, but as Du said, on an individual level, one might achieve paradise. That's relative. Everyone wants to achieve paradise. And lets face it, everyones agenda hurts someone else. There will always be someone unhappy and therefore hurt. You can't say that only one person is "Following an agenda to hurt someone and achieve paradise"

2. If you consider yourself patriotic, you must respect our criticism of the President, or of anyone. Freedom was what the US was based on, and it's hypocritical to say "I'm a patriot...but don't say anything bad about the President" If you want people to not say anything bad about your leader, as some say these days, "get out (of America)"

3. Seems to be resolved.

1. It wasn't the press' job to provide supplies. It was their job to report. It was Bush's job to make sure people were safe at home. It's his job to clean his room before he goes to go play with his expensive toys in the sand.

2. This is New Orleans. It wasn't all that easy for them to get out. Besides, how often are they hit by hurricanes? Florida's used to hurricanes, I don't believe New Orleans was.

3. Yes, I'm sorry for critizing our government. We should just let them do as they damn well please. I'm sure they'll stay honest without the prying eyes of the public. After all, they're on our side, right?

4. You won't donate any money? Yet you're critizing the press for not bringing supplies with them??? *Activates the hypocrite alarm*

5. I'm pretty sure you'll be bithing and moaning if you lose your house and all your worldy possessions. Sure, you'll be happy to be alive, but a huge chunk has been torn away from you. If you don't feel loss there, then you're simply not human.

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1. You're right, it's not the press' job to do that, just to report the news "fairly and from all points of view", right? Well, great job they're doing with that. And now all of a sudden, the President is supposed to know that a cat. 5 hurricane is going to decimate the Gulf seaboard? He's supposed to know that the new measures implemented for disaster relief because of 9/11 wouldn't be enough? Something like this has never happened before, and I'm supposed to believe that this is the President's fault because of the war?! Come on, that's really pushing it.

2. You mean was New Orleans. They had at least four days of advance notice (which happens to be when FEMA got there), and that in itself wasn't enough time? I mean, what do you expect, when that city is below sea level? Every year, a hurricane makes its way into the Gulf, it just never made it this far, and this strong. Doesn't mean that it would never happen. That's just human ignorance. And it's not bliss.

3. Well, us "keeping our eyes on them" seems to working out great doesn't it? It doesn't matter what happens around here, someone's always going to criticize, because they always think it would be better "their" way. You know, even if you may not believe it, the majority of people that work for this government, do so because they really do love their country. But I guess the government that just approved upwards of 64 billion dollars in Federal Relief isn't really looking out for anyone.

4. Hmm, I didn't fly into an area devasted by that storm, I never volunteered to be the "first reporter on the scene". I'm not a ewokin reporter. Because I actually do have a heart, because I could never be a reporter, because my emotions would get the best of me. I don't really think you do understand, there's the possibility that I might go down there, because I'm in the Navy. I could get oredered to go. And because I am in the military, I would go, because that's the way it works. Because sometimes you just need to believe that what you are doing is for the greater good, and not for yourself. But given the choice, I won't go. Those reporters chose to go down there, and didn't do one goddamned thing to help. So no, it doesn't make me a hypocrite, and it probably doesn't make any sense whatsoever to you, but that's the way a military mind works. I do this for the greater good, for you, the people, not me. I don't enjoy the same rights as you, we have our own set of rules in the military, and it's a totally different lifestyle. Being in the military is sometimes having to do what you don't believe in, because you serve this country and not yourself.

5. And as a matter of fact, no, I wouldn't bith and moan about it. You said it yourself, I could lose all my worldly posessions. All of this stuff is replaceable. I don't have a hang up on things like this as much as others do. I move a lot, I'm gone a lot, it gives me time to understand what's really important, and it's not this house made of wood and brick, it's the people inside it that make it a home, and as long as I have them, I will never complain, because I AM human, and I care more for these lives in this house, than the house, and all it's contents.

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1. Du, they knew that it was coming. You've said it yourself it was said it was going to be a high category storm coming in. Chicken is right that it wasn't the reporters job to bring aid. HOWEVER, Alex is right in pointing out that it wasn't the volunteers job. To be honest, I believe it was the fault of every level, from the local, state and federal government. The only fault they had was a bad plan/no plan for this. Even though it's "unprecedent" and of "Biblical proportions" it's the job of FEMA and others to think of the worst case scenario, whether its a nuclear fallout or a hurricane overwhelming the coast.

2. New Orleans was in a very bad position. Most if not all is underwater, and is protected by locks that can only withstand category 3 hurricanes. Du, it IS New Orleans. Not all of it was destroyed, and it will be rebuilt. Just because you don't want to help does not mean others do.

3. Of course people are going to criticize the government. It's the same with Terrorism though. Like I said before: Can't please everyone. Now take this situation: There is a senator who won. Now he's an honest guy, and wants to really help. What if his belief in helping is against what his state believes? Well then he won't be re-elected. But what if he really thinks its for the best? Then he has to suck up (pork barreling) to his constituints and there you go, people think he's corrupted and what not because they believe he's only trying to go for votes not to help the people. Then like I said earlier, people are also always driven by an agenda.

4. I find it odd that you think that reporters believe they hvae the choice. You think that they won't be fired or looked down on if they say "No, I won't report" Didn't your old profile say "Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" or something? That's obviously referring to courtmartial instead of death. Reporters believe they are helping their country by keeping them informed about the world. There's nothing wrong with being a reporter. All jobs require that you might do something that you don't want to do. That's life. You can't join a job expecting everything to go your way. You can say the same about lawyers. "They're heartless!! They defend murders by their own choice!!" No, they don't. They have to because it's their job. Just like being a soldier is yours.

5. Theory and Practice are two different things. In theory you might not, however, in practice remains to be seen.

[Uncle Du 22]

1.  Du, they knew that it was coming.  You've said it yourself it was said it was going to be a high category storm coming in.  Chicken is right that it wasn't the reporters job to bring aid.  HOWEVER, Alex is right in pointing out that it wasn't the volunteers job.  To be honest, I believe it was the fault of every level, from the local, state and federal government.  The only fault they had was a bad plan/no plan for this.  Even though it's "unprecedent" and of "Biblical proportions" it's the job of FEMA and others to think of the worst case scenario, whether its a nuclear fallout or a hurricane overwhelming the coast.

2.  New Orleans was in a very bad position.  Most if not all is underwater, and is protected by locks that can only withstand category 3 hurricanes.  Du, it IS New Orleans.  Not all of it was destroyed, and it will be rebuilt.  Just because you don't want to help does not mean others do.

3.  Of course people are going to criticize the government.  It's the same with Terrorism though.  Like I said before: Can't please everyone.  Now take this situation:  There is a senator who won.  Now he's an honest guy, and wants to really help.  What if his belief in helping is against what his state believes?  Well then he won't be re-elected.  But what if he really thinks its for the best?  Then he has to suck up (pork barreling) to his constituints and there you go, people think he's corrupted and what not because they believe he's only trying to go for votes not to help the people.  Then like I said earlier, people are also always driven by an agenda.

4.  I find it odd that you think that reporters believe they hvae the choice.  You think that they won't be fired or looked down on if they say "No, I won't report"  Didn't your old profile say "Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" or something?  That's obviously referring to courtmartial instead of death.  Reporters believe they are helping their country by keeping them informed about the world.  There's nothing wrong with being a reporter.  All jobs require that you might do something that you don't want to do.  That's life.  You can't join a job expecting everything to go your way.  You can say the same about lawyers.  "They're heartless!! They defend murders by their own choice!!" No, they don't.  They have to because it's their job.  Just like being a soldier is yours.

5.  Theory and Practice are two different things.  In theory you might not, however, in practice remains to be seen.

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Sweet, I was waiting for GI to show!!

1. Yes, they did know it was coming, and they did take steps to minimize the damage, FEMA personnel were there four days before it hit, yet the State government never declared a state of emergency until it was too late. People were told to evacuate, but a whole lot of people were arrogant enough to stay. Were there more steps that could have been taken, sure, but the fact is, steps were taken, and the citizens, with their right to choose, decided not to leave. So, what would have been better, declaring martial law and telling them to leave, or giving them choice, with an evacuation order that wasn't mandatory? And I'm sorry, with a storm with this proportions, there wasn't really anything that could have been done to save the city itself.

2. Hey, I never said that other people wouldn't want to help, my Dad is down there right now, helping out, and you know what, more power to him, if it makes him a better person than me, well, what can I say? But why the ewok would I want to go down and help a city where the gangs, and looters were shooting at the very people trying to help? Yea yea, not everyone was like that, but the ones that aren't shoulda had the common sense to get the hell out.

3. I totally agree that everyone has an agenda, it's as simple as what you want outta life. I think it's arrogant presumption to always assume that a politician that has office that you don't like is always doing things to further themselves, or because they're corrupt, or for the money or whatever. You can debate it till you're blue in the face, but we'll never really know what these people want, because we aren't walking side by side with them everyday.

4. Everyone has a choice. That will always be true. But whether or not you want to face the consequences of that decision is up to you. Thing about it is, I know that reporters have a job, and I know that they're not all bad. What I'm saying is, they didn't do anything but stick microphones in people faces who had just been through probably the most harrowing experience of their lives. And most reporters would rather get a story than help someone in need. Because a needy person at a time like this is a scoop.

5. Who says it's a theory?

[GI_Admiral 2]

Sweet, I was waiting for GI to show!! 

1.    Yes, they did know it was coming, and they did take steps to minimize the damage, FEMA personnel were there four days before it hit, yet the State government never declared a state of emergency until it was too late.  People were told to evacuate, but a whole lot of people were arrogant enough to stay.  Were there more steps that could have been taken, sure, but the fact is, steps were taken, and the citizens, with their right to choose, decided not to leave.  So, what would have been better, declaring martial law and telling them to leave, or giving them choice, with an evacuation order that wasn't mandatory?  And I'm sorry, with a storm with this proportions, there wasn't really anything that could have been done to save the city itself.

2.  Hey, I never said that other people wouldn't want to help, my Dad is down there right now, helping out, and you know what, more power to him, if it makes him a better person than me, well, what can I say?  But why the ewok would I want to go down and help a city where the gangs, and looters were shooting at the very people trying to help?  Yea yea, not everyone was like that, but the ones that aren't shoulda had the common sense to get the hell out.

3.  I totally agree that everyone has an agenda, it's as simple as what you want outta life.  I think it's arrogant presumption to always assume that a politician that has office that you don't like is always doing things to further themselves, or because they're corrupt, or for the money or whatever.  You can debate it till you're blue in the face, but we'll never really know what these people want, because we aren't walking side by side with them everyday. 

4.  Everyone has a choice.  That will always be true.  But whether or not you want to face the consequences of that decision is up to you.  Thing about it is, I know that reporters have a job, and I know that they're not all bad.  What I'm saying is, they didn't do anything but stick microphones in people faces who had just been through probably the most harrowing experience of their lives.  And most reporters would rather get a story than help someone in need.  Because a needy person at a time like this is a scoop. 

5.  Who says it's a theory?

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lol I feel so special

1. Obviously there wasn't, but to me and to most others gathering from whta I've heard, many believed that the plan for the aftermath was subpar. That could lay in the response, in the logistics etc., Time before the storm doesn't mean preparing to stop it, it means preparing to do damage control as well.

2. Very True. I think its horrible that there were people shooting and taking advantage (gangs, some looters looted out of need) of the situation. Part of me agrees with you saying "Why should I help those idiots that don't listen, don't realize the problems and ignorantly stay back and then blame us for not helping" but then, as you've said, you sometimes have to go above and beyond, and help people that you might not.

3. Very true. We can only criticize the agenda and the political maneuvers, not the politicians integrity. Unless its revealed he has done illegal things. *Cough FRIST cough*

4. That reminds me of a joke:

You are in Florida, Miami to be specific.

There is chaos all around you, caused by a

hurricane,with severe flooding. This is a flood of biblical proportions.

You are a photojournalist working for a

major newspaper, and you're caught in the middle of this epic disaster.

The situation is nearly

hopeless.

You're trying to shoot career-making photos.

There are houses and people swirling around

you, some disappearing under the water. Nature is unleashing all of its destructive fury.

Suddenly you see a woman in the water. She is fighting for her life, trying not to be taken down with the debris.

You move closer. Somehow

the woman looks familiar. You suddenly realize who it is. It's Hillary Clinton!

At the same time you notice that the raging

waters are about to take her under . . . forever.

You have two options--you can save the life

of Hillary Clinton, or you can shoot a dramatic Pulitzer Prize winning photo, documenting the death of one of the world's most powerful women.

So here's the question, and please give an

honest answer:

Would you select high contrast color film,

or would you go with the classic simplicity of black and white?

((Clinton can be replaced by any politician depending on your political stance I juts copy and pasted))

And yes, many did go for the story, but we see what? 1-10 minute clips of interviews. During the day, I'm sure they're doing some help. I'm probably pretty sure most of them were moved by what they saw, and did something about it. There are exceptions im sure to both sides. But that is the same with every job.

5. It has not been tested yet. When a category 4-5 hurricane hits your area and ruins your house, then it becomes a practical experiment and we will see the results.

[Tsl 7]

Why does anybody care if the Pledge is mandatory in school? I mean, seriously...

[Alexander 0]

I stopped saying it around 8th grade. Nothing wears out of your mind faster than reciting something since you've been five - having it lose all meaning. Which is like Jon Stewart said, "If you really want to marginalize a phrase, just have fifth graders recite it every morning."

[Princess 35]

11 kids made to sleep in cages

Uh yeah, these people are dipsiths

[Andy 60]

Why does anybody care if the Pledge is mandatory in school?  I mean, seriously...

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I had so many plans for refusing to do that, back when I nearly went to live in New Hampshire.... hehe

[GI_Admiral 2]

Stoped that in 5th grade. But it was so cool, it was everyone stand up face the flag and say it together...like a chant...:p

[Alexander 0]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4249646.stm

Is this even news-worthy? Honestly.

[Ana 15]

You know they're short on stories when...

[GI_Admiral 2]

HAHAHAHA Awesome.

"Now read the note infront of the world Mr. Bush"

[Chickenman 9]

Stoped that in 5th grade.  But it was so cool, it was everyone stand up face the flag and say it together...like a chant...

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I'm one of the only people in the school that still recites it...but I do it softly, because I don't want to be the only one in the class. :p

[Ender 8]

I still say the Pledge every day. Hooray for patriotism, yo.

[SoftballJedi 0]

We're required to still. Some teachers get quite angry if a student doesn't.

[Uncle Du 22]

I get to salute the Flag every day I go to work. Of course, I also have to actually ask permission to "come aboard" and even go to work. :p

[Tsl 7]

It did lose all meaning, being said every day for all your childhood life. It was just some poem somebody wrote in a magazine in the first place that people originally thought was cool.

[Aurelius 1]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16621197-13762,00.htm

[Chickenman 9]

That's the third time I've heard of a dog doing that! :nerves:

[GI_Admiral 2]

yeah lol

[Bad furday 57]

My dog is smart....but luckily, we don't have a gun! :p

[Alexander 0]

The dog's going to use a wire and choke you then.

[Alexander 0]

N. Korea agrees to give up nuclear program.

[GI_Admiral 2]

w00t

[Uncle Du 22]

I heard something about this on the radio. So once again, we prove that we can police the world. :p

[Chickenman 9]

You know, when we're not invading it for unjustified reasons. :p